MI-16 Body Roll

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Anyone ever thought that their MI-16 cornered well with no body roll?

I took this photo at the 92 Bathurst 12hr. Can anyone answer the following questions:
  1. Who's driving?
  2. Why does the car have so much body roll?
  3. Why is he driving with this number instead of his "normal" one?
Most correct answer wins a Polo Shirt (used but in great cond.) from my race team for the 2002 Grand Prix Rally (I'm serious!).

Entries close by lets say Sunday 11th at 8.30pm.
 
matt205 said:
Anyone ever thought that their MI-16 cornered well with no body roll?

I took this photo at the 92 Bathurst 12hr. Can anyone answer the following questions:
  1. Who's driving?
  2. Why does the car have so much body roll?
  3. Why is he driving with this number instead of his "normal" one?
Most correct answer wins a Polo Shirt (used but in great cond.) from my race team for the 2002 Grand Prix Rally (I'm serious!).

Entries close by lets say Sunday 11th at 8.30pm.
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answer to 1
peter brock
answer to 2
cornered too hot
answer to 3
his car failed to proceed
 
Peter Brock,
Apex is wrong
Clutch blew in the 05 car.
 
Mi16 body roll

Guys(especially Peter T. and anyone who may have raced a Mi16 sedan).
Any ideas on how to reduce body roll in the Mi16- Ihave some photos from 03 TNZ which show big body roll under extreme cornering, I wondered if a rear antiroll bar would be worth fitting??
My only suspension mods are fitting of yellow Koni adjustables(set at intermediate position. I do need to fit new (urethane) bushes as my rubber front susp. bushes are perishing.
While I have Eibach front lowering springs, I am not keen to fit them as my sump guard has deep scratches right across width from bottoming on bridge entries/exits at rally speeds.
I dont want to upset the very good handling of the 405, as we get plenty of wet weather over here in rally events on tarmac.
The roll cage has stiffened the car, which is a plus.
I suspect P.Brock's 405 suspension(apart from lowering for track) may have been close to factory set up. Any one know?
Cheers
Don :pugplak:
 
Mi16freak said:
Guys(especially Peter T. and anyone who may have raced a Mi16 sedan).
Any ideas on how to reduce body roll in the Mi16- Ihave some photos from 03 TNZ which show big body roll under extreme cornering, I wondered if a rear antiroll bar would be worth fitting??
My only suspension mods are fitting of yellow Koni adjustables(set at intermediate position. I do need to fit new (urethane) bushes as my rubber front susp. bushes are perishing.
While I have Eibach front lowering springs, I am not keen to fit them as my sump guard has deep scratches right across width from bottoming on bridge entries/exits at rally speeds.
I dont want to upset the very good handling of the 405, as we get plenty of wet weather over here in rally events on tarmac.
The roll cage has stiffened the car, which is a plus.
I suspect P.Brock's 405 suspension(apart from lowering for track) may have been close to factory set up. Any one know?
Cheers
Don :pugplak:
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If it's anything like a 205, I'd upgrade the rear torsion bars first. Then fit coil overs to match the rear. On my previous Mi16, I found the wider track from 205 wheels (15 x 6.75) helped to reduce the body roll considerably.
 

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PeterT said:
If it's anything like a 205, I'd upgrade the rear torsion bars first. Then fit coil overs to match the rear. On my previous Mi16, I found the wider track from 205 wheels (15 x 6.75) helped to reduce the body roll considerably.
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Peter, Peter, Peter!

Where did you get those wheels you had on the MI-16? I've been looking for those for years, I'd give my left nut for a set of those!

Oh and for everyone, the only correct amswer so far is, Peter Brock, questions 2 and 3 still need correct answers.
 
matt205 said:
, I'd give my left nut for a set of those!

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I know where they are. The owner might part with them for a lefty! I regret parting with them now. They're Peugeot Motorsport Speedlines.
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matt205 said:
Anyone ever thought that their MI-16 cornered well with no body roll?

I took this photo at the 92 Bathurst 12hr. Can anyone answer the following questions:
  1. Who's driving?
  2. Why does the car have so much body roll?
  3. Why is he driving with this number instead of his "normal" one?
Most correct answer wins a Polo Shirt (used but in great cond.) from my race team for the 2002 Grand Prix Rally (I'm serious!).

Entries close by lets say Sunday 11th at 8.30pm.
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A2/ pushed wide
A3/ blown power steering

i remember one of the 405's in 92 with power steering troubles
 
PeterT said:
matt205 said:
, I'd give my left nut for a set of those!

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I know where they are. The owner might part with them for a lefty! I regret parting with them now. They're Peugeot Motorsport Speedlines.
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I'm very interested, these are the only wheels that look better on a 205 than the factory 15"s! Are they still on a car? I tried in vain to source these from the UK a few years ago.
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pugrambo said:
A2/ pushed wide
A3/ blown power steering

i remember one of the 405's in 92 with power steering troubles
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A2/ No
A3/ No

I think all three had, clutch, brake and PS problems that weekend. Keep trying, mind you, you're currently in front as you answered first!
 
Pugrambo,

I'll give you half a point for the "cornered too hot" answer to question 2, to get full marks you have to tell me why, he was doing this lap after lap.

And a hint for question 3 is that he actually started the race in car 45.....
 
matt205 said:
Pugrambo,

I'll give you half a point for the "cornered too hot" answer to question 2, to get full marks you have to tell me why, he was doing this lap after lap.

And a hint for question 3 is that he actually started the race in car 45.....
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the car was displayed at the motor show as well in the same year or may have been the show before as i have a pic of the car from there as well

in answer to 3
i have a feeling that the car was numbered 45 as it was the 45th anniversary of peugeot in the country

now for the answer to 2
from what i remember of the race as we are talking 11-12 years ago now and my memory is only so good and i can't be bothered unpacking my photos of the race that year
but, as i recall seeing the car lifting the rear wheel every time going into the corner with the basically stock suspension in the car and the other problem they were having was the limited run they were getting from a set of pads
peter ran the car into corners with more speed than normal trying to save brakes and i think he was also getting better pull out of the corners due to the angle the car was set up for on exiting
but i think it was more due to using less brake in the attempt to try and get more from the pads
the citroens didn't suffer the brake problem as much as they were 100kg lighter
 
In answer to Q3 - was there some sort of contractual thing he had over the number 05? ie, at the time, he didn't own the right to use that number? Perhaps Holden or Mobil did?

Just a guess on my part.
 
pugrambo said:
the car was displayed at the motor show as well in the same year or may have been the show before as i have a pic of the car from there as well
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The car displayed at the Motorshow was a just a "mock up" and not one of the cars used in the event. I know this cause I managed to wangle a drive in it, the 3 race cars were separate. Funnily enough I nearly bought car 45 after the event, it runs around the northern beaches these days still with the paint on it.
pugrambo said:
in answer to 3
i have a feeling that the car was numbered 45 as it was the 45th anniversary of peugeot in the country
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Try again, I understand the numbering had more to do with Brock, 05, 25 and 45 to represent 205 and 405 and it went along with the 05 thing as well. The question is why was he driving 45 and not 05 from the begining of the race?
pugrambo said:
now for the answer to 2
as i recall seeing the car lifting the rear wheel every time going into the corner with the basically stock suspension in the car and the other problem they were having was the limited run they were getting from a set of pads
peter ran the car into corners with more speed than normal trying to save brakes and i think he was also getting better pull out of the corners due to the angle the car was set up for on exiting
but i think it was more due to using less brake in the attempt to try and get more from the pads
the citroens didn't suffer the brake problem as much as they were 100kg lighter
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You are absolutely correct! I had a conversation with Peter about this one after one of his stints in the car (jeez what a name dropper ;) ) and yes he was using understeer to slow the car to conserve the brakes, certainly made for some spectacular angles and a real testament to his driving skill. I have since used this technique myself, once it saved me from a potentially big "off" at Eastern Creek in the wet when I popped a brake line into turn 1 at somewhere around 175km/h!
 
LookingforMi16 said:
In answer to Q3 - was there some sort of contractual thing he had over the number 05? ie, at the time, he didn't own the right to use that number? Perhaps Holden or Mobil did?

Just a guess on my part.
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No, the "main" car was numbered 05 and he was scheduled to drive it.....
 
for the answer to 2
now this is a very vague recollection of the weekend (although i do remember getting fines for speeding on the way to the event :D)
the 05 car was pulledo ut of the race early with either a blown engine or blown gearbox
the 05 car i think did the warm up and that was it or it did a small part of the race before it retired
i remember the car sitting out the back of the pits

i'm doing well so far
2 from 3 :D:D:D:D
 
or was it the 45 car was out the back getting a new clutch in it and as such the car was well down the order and the 05 car was totalled in a qualifying session
i seem to remember a car bieng totalled but not sure if it was the pug or not
 
pugrambo said:
or was it the 45 car was out the back getting a new clutch in it and as such the car was well down the order and the 05 car was totalled in a qualifying session
i seem to remember a car bieng totalled but not sure if it was the pug or not
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No they all managed to ginish without battle damage, there were problems with all the cars during the event. Remember them frantically changing gearboxes on one of the cars.

There was however a reason PB "chose" to drive car 45 (theres a big clue). Can you name any of the other drivers in the team, I think there was 9 in total.

2 out of 3, 1 more and you'll get the Shirt!
 
matt205 said:
There was however a reason PB "chose" to drive car 45 (theres a big clue). Can you name any of the other drivers in the team, I think there was 9 in total.

2 out of 3, 1 more and you'll get the Shirt!
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Well, by your hint, I'm guessing that he didn't choose to drive 45 at all.

So....

One of the other drivers chose to drive 05? (seems unlikely)

Or, perhaps as the senior (and probably best) driver in the team, he booted somebody out of 45 and himself into it as it was the car in the best position, and the best chance of winning/getting the best result?

Perhaps team management, rather than PB was the one to boot someone out of 45, and PB into it?

05 was out for an extended period (the gearbox change?) leaving PB nothing to do?

Clutching at straws here....

I was too young at the time to be able to remember it now, so I'm just making guesses as to the possibilities.

JG.

PS: Alan, I was very impressed by your "trying to catch a BX comment". It gave me a good laugh.
 
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